Is RRA in the same category as Oly/RRA? I thought RRA was standard issue for the DEA. Sure, it's certainly not Colt/DD, but I'd hardly call it a "plinker."
DEA now uses LWRC
Is RRA in the same category as Oly/RRA? I thought RRA was standard issue for the DEA. Sure, it's certainly not Colt/DD, but I'd hardly call it a "plinker."
Is RRA in the same category as Oly/RRA? I thought RRA was standard issue for the DEA. Sure, it's certainly not Colt/DD, but I'd hardly call it a "plinker."
WOW another uninformed post by you.
Sure there are more bullet choices above 62grains but most of the surplus stuff out there is 62 and below and that is what is most often shot. So to have a twist rate that stabilizes 62grain and lower actually makes a lot of sense, even it if isn't mil-spec, or mall ninja, or whatever. It makes sense because it works for most people. And people who shoot their ARs for varmint hunting or with surplus ammo tend to be using the lighter weight (62 and below) bullets.
As for you comment on Chrome Moly, it simply makes no sense. What the heck are you trying to say? Chrome can't fail in a chrome moly barrel but it can fail in a chrome lined barrel. BTW, it usually doesn't fail from shooting!!!
And for AR's for killing people, well you go ahead and do that, I'm sure the FBI will be knocking on your door soon. Me, I've got a couple set up for hunting 4 legged animals (pigs and deer), some set up for long range shooting, some set up as fun guns with 16" barrels, a couple for personal defense, but each is different and most of mine are purpose built. I've got them in calibers from 22lr to 7.62x39 to 6.5 Grendel to 458 Socom to 5.56 and pistol calibers too. I'm not GI JOE or a Mall Ninja, but I'd gladly stake out any of mine against yours.
RRA is nice stuff. It does not spec out well on "the chart" but that doesn't mean its not good.
Is RRA in the same category as Oly/RRA? I thought RRA was standard issue for the DEA. Sure, it's certainly not Colt/DD, but I'd hardly call it a "plinker."
I actually own an RRA. It shoots better than I can (most rifles do ), but does not have true 5.56 chamber (even though it is stamped otherwise, it has a wylde chamber. ... Reaming the chamber...
I am just glad my OLY's can't read. They might get really offended and my post sample OLY M4 might just start to have problems. For now it has been 100%, well that is only about 5K rounds so far.
Hey guys, gun shops make more money the more expensive gun they sell you, would it make sense for them to recommend an OLY then since they are lower priced? I can buy my sons any AR I wanted to, I got them all an OLY M4 and would recommend that to anyone. They work, the problem with Olympic is that they have chosen not to market themselves as they should and not to comply with the silly "chart" circulating around the internet. Instead they rely on word of mouth and lower prices. We sell more OLY's than any other AR, and if they were bad rifles we would know it.
the silly "chart" circulating around the internet.
Would you honestly take an Oly to Iraq as a Frontline Combat piece?!
It is when it is out of date information and suggests that military standards are better than some civilian standards.
How is a collection of information "silly"?
It is when it is out of date information and suggests that military standards are better than some civilian standards.
Outdated?
Latest info is straight from the factory.
Interpretation is subjective to the individual. A collection of information from the factory cannot suggest anything.
Put a broach cut stainless barrel on an M4 style gun, and the chart will mark down that gun despite the fact that a broach cut stainless barrel is clearly superior to the military barrel.
What are your criteria for superiority? If there is an advantage in accuracy, is there a disadvantage in cleaning? Barrel life? Durability? Weight? There are differences, right?
A weapon is a tool, you have to build that tool to the specs that the job requires. I love my chart-following platform, and I would probably love one with a stainless whatever barrel, but which would I reach for, and when?
Rob/Tactical Yellow Visor said:Without the information in the explanations below, The Chart(s) that appears at the bottom of this page is all but worthless. It is critical, when considering an M4-pattern carbine, to ensure that you understand the list of features and can figure out for yourself if a specific feature is applicable to your intended use. If a sufficient number of the features below and on The Chart are not applicable to your use, then perhaps an M4-pattern carbine is not the right choice for you.
So, what is an M4-pattern carbine? The true M4 is a select-fire military-issue shortened version of the M16 with a collapsible stock, 14.5" barrel, and flat-top upper (with Picatinny rail system) in place of the old A2 carry handle. obviously what we are discussing here are non-NFA firearms which means that they are not select-fire and have a barrel length of at least 16".
What a great site INGO is. What a great thread this is. I first got hooked on the black guns with a $500 Oly that was a great gun and ran like a champ for me. I didn't put thousands of rounds thru it, but threw my share of lead down range. I sold it to a LEO that was looking for the particular model I had for the accuracy and bought another one to get me hands on a old style A4 CAR upper which I place on top of a Plum Crazy composite lower. What a light, cool and so far great rifle. It is lots of fun and just the other day my son and I took it to a friends farm to help him kill an old K-car. With about 300-400 rounds so far it has been a champ ( I know that is not a lot by many standards, but it was a fun afternoon for us). I would love to have a colt (my buddy has and old pre-ban, green label, H-Bar that he has hardly ever had it out of the box), but economics sent me down the Oly road and so far it has been pretty good to me, if not very addicting.I am just glad my OLY's can't read. They might get really offended and my post sample OLY M4 might just start to have problems. For now it has been 100%, well that is only about 5K rounds so far.
Hey guys, gun shops make more money the more expensive gun they sell you, would it make sense for them to recommend an OLY then since they are lower priced? I can buy my sons any AR I wanted to, I got them all an OLY M4 and would recommend that to anyone. They work, the problem with Olympic is that they have chosen not to market themselves as they should and not to comply with the silly "chart" circulating around the internet. Instead they rely on word of mouth and lower prices. We sell more OLY's than any other AR, and if they were bad rifles we would know it.
For my plinking my oly is great. I don't shoot it that much but it always goes bang and tosses the brass.