Chrysler says it won't pay back Tarp funds

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  • KPierce

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    Chrysler Says It Won't Pay U.S. (Us) Back

    If you're keeping a list of who's been naughty or nice, you might want to sharpen your pencil for Chrysler and GM.

    In a special message of holiday cheer, Chrysler announced through filings last week that its pre-bankruptcy self doesn't appear to want to make good on its $3.7 billion loan from U.S. taxpayers. The money went to the old Chrysler (now called, officially, the "OldCar Co") through the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) in April of 2009 when the company announced its "fast track" Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

    Counter that against the letter then-CEO Bob Nardelli wrote to stakeholders before the money came through:

    "Our viability plan demonstrates that Chrysler will repay the U.S. government loans in full, with a premium beginning in 2012," Nardelli wrote. "As we have indicated all along, shared sacrifice is necessary for Chrysler's survival."

    Nardelli, long gone, doesn't have to answer why, but we hope he blushes when he looks at himself in the mirror in the morning. The announcement also appears to fly in the face of TARP's marching orders, which counted recoupment as a major factor in its passage through Congress. The thinking was that no TARP funds would ever add to the national debt. At least from what we've heard from Chrysler, that doesn't appear to be the case.

    When we reached out to Chrysler for comment, spokesperson Shawn Morgan told us: "First, the "Chrysler" you are talking about is now called "OldCar Co" and that company is still in bankruptcy. That company, "OldCar Co" made a filing last week however, you'd need to speak with that company for a comment." The nuances of the "old Chrysler" and "new Chrysler" as created by the bankruptcy filing are likely to be lost on most in the American public.

    To paraphrase Gertrude Stein, $4 billion is $4 billion is $4 billion. Especially when it's public money.

    As commenter "hillsamurai" duly noted in our comments section, "If 'OldCar Co' is not going to repay my money that it was given, will "OldCar CO" give me a new car as reimbursement?"

    Journalist Chris Woodyard, author of USA Today's DriveOn blog, describes the awful conditions in which Chrysler is operating as a reason for its inability to pay back the loans made to the "OldCar Co."
    "Chrysler is on track to post the worst sales performance of the 10 largest automakers this year," Woodyard writes on his site. "Sales tumbled 38% during the first 11 months of the year. In November, sales were still down 25% even as Ford and General Motors had largely swung back to even compared to the same month a year ago, Autodata figures show.

    "Not bleak enough? Consider this: Underscoring its lack of product, Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep have no press conferences scheduled for the all-important Detroit auto show where new models are typically unveiled amid lots of hoopla. There used to be one press conference for each brand before its bankruptcy reorganization earlier this year. Dealers are stuck selling the same tired models that have gone without updates for years now. Even Fiat CEO Sergio Marchionne, with a controlling stake in Chrysler, sounds pessimistic about a turnaround."

    This flies in the face of Chrysler's last major government bailout, of course. Back in 1979 the company took $1.5 billion in government-backed loans (while only $1 per year went to pay CEO Lee Iacocca's salary at the time) but was able to repay it ahead of schedule, something that the Heritage Foundation notes as a "favorite example cited by proponents of national industrial policy who call for massive and costly federal efforts to revive what they describe as a deperately ailing American economy." The foundation was not an advocate of the 1979 bailout (or that of last year, either), citing amongst other things that the current and future laid off Ford and GM workers never understood that their tax dollars were being used to destroy their own jobs in order to save jobs at Chrysler.

    GM, on the other hand, is making news from the announcement that it will not only pay back its $52 billion loan, but do so early. Of that $52 billion, a good portion of it went into equity in the company ($45.3 billion in shares, which is why we now say that U.S. taxpayers own about 60 percent of GM) while the rest was a straight cash loan to be repaid over a period of time. The company said it will present the government with a payment of over $1 billion by the end of this month, while the remaining $5 billion or so will be paid back by mid next year.

    This is different from Chrysler's news, however, because it constitutes the "new GM," whereas GM's version of "OldCar Co" is separate. Confused yet?

    In any case, GM is presenting a seriously fast repayment schedule, especially considering that GM will likely begin offering stock again in 2010, at which point the U.S. can sell its shares in GM on the public market and recoup the remaining $45 billion.


    Where do you weigh in on the bailouts, especially in the light of Chrysler and GM giving notice of their payback (or lack of payback) schedules?

    Doesn't really surprise me much at all. After all they got the money so why not hide it and keep it under a bunch of legal speak. Just thought I would pass this along.
     

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    That's crazy, reorganize with a new name using all the old people and capital, but then insist that you're not same company and there for don't know anything about the loan.
     

    Cygnus

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    Not only are their cars junk, have you looked at how ugly they are? Seriously.


    What is going on is heinus and BS.

    However I'll take a Charger tomorrow. Also digging the 300M rental I have this week.


    Not repaying the loans?

    Is anyone suprised?
    How many banks have not repayed yet?
    The car company bailouts were about 3%-5% of the bank bailouts.
    They have us pissed about nickels and ignoring dollars!

    That said eff Chrysler...err..eff the "old car company". I'll never buy new from them or GM unless they payback their stuff.
    Ford at least toughed it out and is producing some pretty good quality. Although their desinging is ........
    Interesting media reporting.......
     

    jedi

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    Nicely played out by "new" and "old" C. You must admire the lawyers and top level executives along with the TREASURY who came up with this legal play. Nice.
     

    dross

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    It really doesn't matter how many funny shell games they play with company names and legal mumbo-jumbo. Chrysler is a dead man walking. Their products are mostly junk, and have been since the 70's. The only thing that amazes me is how they've stayed in business so long. Their "invention" of the minvan in the 80's carried them for some time, but the minivan market ain't the fertile field that it used to be. People want cars or crossovers now, and Chrysler offerings are pathetic compared to the other major players.

    Chrysler has been screwing consumers for years with their defective transmissions, sludge-prone engines and generally shoddy quality. And good luck getting them to make good on their "world class" warranty. Why is it any surprise that they have decided to screw ALL of us? That's been pretty much their business model for years.

    Time to "part out" Chrysler and salvage what little viable product that they have.....mostly the Jeep line and Dodge trucks. (And truth be told, most of the Jeep line is junk as well, surviving on nostalgia and....well, pretty much nostalgia.) Everything else needs to follow Pontiac, Olds, Saturn and Plymouth into the dustbin of history.

    :twocents:

    All of which is exactly why we should let the free market work, instead of screwing with it. Let bad companies fold, their assets are purchased by companies who can make better use of them, and everyone is better off.

    Companies failing is part of what makes the system work. Artificially propping them up just delays the inevitable, hinders new growth, and creates a less efficient system, which we feel in a lesser lifestyle.

    Not to mention the immorality of forcing other people (we taxpayers) to pay for someone elses failures in a company some of us don't own, or even buy from.

    Another terrible irony is that the companies that were performing well, and therefore didn't need a "loan" stolen from our children, now must compete with companies who had a infusion of cash in reward for their failure.

    Who is John Galt?
     

    x10

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    Its about time, I think none of these company's should pay back this money, The Coal companies and every other company that has been victimized by the EPA should refuse to pay unreasonable fines and penalties and stop the STUPID EPA requirements that have crippled the US manufacturers

    The Gov't is getting what they deserve, There has been so much wrong for so long, On every side there has been unreasonable actions for 30 years,

    When Obamy has to send troops to every business in the US maybe that will be the breaking point
     

    clydesdale

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    both companies suck

    why just hate on chrysler,whether or not gm pays loan back they should have been allowed to fold there finincial crisis was created by them (build low quality,sell them a little cheaper than other u.s auto.spend more on advertising)and the should have went under like other bussiness do i will never buy a gm or chrysler.but a least chrysler changed ownership, same fat cats who took my money still sealing unreliable crap i dont want{im a mechanic for a fleet of gms i can say/support this)
     

    silentvoice71

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    AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA i was ford to begin with and i will always be ford......FORD is IMO the best car company left.....didnt take a cent from the taxpayers and their cars have been voted top autos in safety and quality.
     

    hornadylnl

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    AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA i was ford to begin with and i will always be ford......FORD is IMO the best car company left.....didnt take a cent from the taxpayers and their cars have been voted top autos in safety and quality.

    Maybe they didn't have to take a cent because they built a quality product and the market place rewarded them for it. Whodathunk that the market place works?
     

    elemonator

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    I know people depend on Chrysler, I do, but this is the second time they have been on the brink of closing last time,I think, Lee Iacocca saved them. In the 1980s And the K car...I think that the metal made from the junking of Chryslers impede the quality of anything made from it.
     
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