Hey, I can see the drain from here!
let's not get our panties in a bunch over it...
First, I'm saying that there isn't was no feature in particular about the glock that was revolutionary enough about glock to copy. Glock was the first to put the list of features (that is, polymer, striker fired, "safe action, etc.) together and make them work well, but those features are not exclusively glock.You're seriously not trying to say that the XD, Sigma and M&P line aren't a copy of the Glock are you?
That's like saying they didn't copy the 1911 design from Colt...
Here is where you are going to role your eyes at me so get ready. The XD is designed so much better that to call it a copy is doing it a disservice. It has present the admirable features that the glock lacks as well as the having absent the features I abhor in a glock. Really, copy or not is a mute point because of the better design. However, mainly, the post you quoted was an attempt to divert the assumption that there is some kind of inherent inferiority due to similar features and a later
birthdate.
As a preventative to bunching, I just don't wear panties.
And since you asked for it Cause Glock was the first to get it right, and still the number one LEO service side arm. Just Say'n
What would you say those features are? Since they are so admirable?
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XDs are more reliable, since they are not prone to user induced failures such as "limp wristing." And they don't have a history of turning itself into a hand grenade with .40 cal rounds. All guns have design flaws. These are the Glock's.
False and False. Neither of these are traits that the glock has to own. Limp Wristing is a user error and explosions come from handloads that are to hot. As with any firearm if you use it properly it works as expected.
First, I'm saying that there isn't was no feature in particular about the glock that was revolutionary enough about glock to copy. Glock was the first to put the list of features (that is, polymer, striker fired, "safe action, etc.) together and make them work well, but those features are not exclusively glock.
Secondly, I can only speak confidently about the XD. I have no experience with sigma's or M&Ps beyond shooting them a few times. The XD's field strips like a Sig. The grip angle, grip safety and tilting barrel locked breach single action are like the 1911. The features such as polymer, striker fired, etc. that it shares with glock, again, are not exclusively glock. What the XD does owe to the glock is the dual recoil spring set up. Glock really made that system work. In fact, the newfound reliability of three inch 1911's is due to using glock like dual recoil springs and more aggressive barrel tilt angle.
Here is where you are going to role your eyes at me so get ready. The XD is designed so much better that to call it a copy is doing it a disservice. It has present the admirable features that the glock lacks as well as the having absent the features I abhor in a glock. Really, copy or not is a mute point because of the better design. However, mainly, the post you quoted was an attempt to divert the assumption that there is some kind of inherent inferiority due to similar features and a later
birthdate.
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I can't speak much to the XD, but the XD(m) and new M&P are great examples of taking something that work and making it better. I was all over the XDm last year when I first started hunting for a new handgun. The match barrel, Rob Leatham videos, changeable grips, sweet look, I was all over it. I had the XDm screensaver and background on my PC while I was saving up for it.
Then I went and picked one up at a gun shop and couldn't get over the extra tall frame.
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You have a great post here King and I agree with most of it. I wouldn't necessarily call it a copy either, mostly an upgrade. SA and S&W both were able to study Glock's successes and failures and improve on it.
I can't speak much to the XD, but the XD(m) and new M&P are great examples of taking something that work and making it better. I was all over the XDm last year when I first started hunting for a new handgun. The match barrel, Rob Leatham videos, changeable grips, sweet look, I was all over it. I had the XDm screensaver and background on my PC while I was saving up for it.
Then I went and picked one up at a gun shop and couldn't get over the extra tall frame.
Didn't really care for the M&P triggers at the time, so I went back to what I knew. But that's just me. Took my dad shopping recently and he ended up with a .40 M&P, because that's what felt good to him.
I'd still like to go shoot a .40 XDm one of these days, but I know and love my Glocks inside and out, it's just me. But I won't hesitate to tell someone to buy something else if it's not for them, ask SavageEagle.
Limp wrist?? Why is this an issue even being discussed? If you are a man, you should be able to shoot a gun without limp wristing it, so problem is nullified. Hell, even if you're a woman, it shouldn't be an issue w/ pistol loads. It's not a .50 cal or even a .44!