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anyone here support obama?
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I'm not for him. In fact dead set against.
But he has a voting record that makes me think he is lying. As an Illinois Senator he voted to criminalize the defensive use of a handgun. Twice.
He is also publicly on record saying he disagrees with concealed carry permits, up until fairly recently. I presume he has not changed that position. If he does now favor CCW, then I wouldn't trust him not to change back to opposing it after the election. The body of evidence showing him as one of the most anti-gun politicians is large and convincing. I don't see how anyone, least of all Obama himself, could deny e is not a major force in the anti-gun movement.
But he has a voting record that makes me think he is lying. As an Illinois Senator he voted to criminalize the defensive use of a handgun. Twice.
He is also publicly on record saying he disagrees with concealed carry permits, up until fairly recently. I presume he has not changed that position. If he does now favor CCW, then I wouldn't trust him not to change back to opposing it after the election. The body of evidence showing him as one of the most anti-gun politicians is large and convincing. I don't see how anyone, least of all Obama himself, could deny e is not a major force in the anti-gun movement.
He is anti gun, he does want to take away carry rights, he definitely wants to give citizens more laws to obey, and he is against having a gun in the home. I believe he is a liar. I would like to see the video of him lying, though! More fuel by which to lampoon him based on his record.
Crystalship1
Master
There are a couple on here who have in the past said they would be voting for him. 
Mind boggling, isn't it???
Mind boggling, isn't it???
BloodEclipse
Grandmaster
His website makes it sound like a shotgun or a rifle for HUNTING would be ok but it leaves open for a complete ban on handguns. His catch phrase of late is "I support reasonable gun regulation" What is reasonable to a gungrabber?
With a forged birth certificate and Kenyan, then Indonesian citizenship, BHO is not qualified to be an American, let alone a politician of any stripe.
Forged is a good thing for an AR-15 lower receiver to be.
Forged is a bad thing for your birth certificate to be when you're running for President.
Blessings,
B
Voting against Obama should be a no-brainer even if you remove gun rights from the equation. He's an ultra-leftist, socialist-statist who has zero regard for any individual liberty or any individuals for that matter. He has the most socialist-statist voting record in the Senate, perhaps in the history of the Senate (when he's actually there).
He wants to increase taxes on corporations and those deemed "wealthy" and give an inconsequential tax cut tp those deemed "middle class" and "poor," without mentioning that the taxes he wants to add to corporate burdens and those of the so-called "wealthy" will only be transferred to consumers (including the idiots foolish enough to support him) via increased prices, and probably in excess of the actual taxes they have to pay. The list goes on and on.
Everything Obama is proposing is something that has been tried in the past and been shown to fail miserably to accomplish its alleged goals, but succeeded marvelously in hurting every individual in the country.
He wants to increase taxes on corporations and those deemed "wealthy" and give an inconsequential tax cut tp those deemed "middle class" and "poor," without mentioning that the taxes he wants to add to corporate burdens and those of the so-called "wealthy" will only be transferred to consumers (including the idiots foolish enough to support him) via increased prices, and probably in excess of the actual taxes they have to pay. The list goes on and on.
Everything Obama is proposing is something that has been tried in the past and been shown to fail miserably to accomplish its alleged goals, but succeeded marvelously in hurting every individual in the country.
Obama is starting class warfare.
Funny thing is that the rich liberals that love Obama (they are the ones that actually mixed the koolaid) feel that they are no different than the poor and middle class. Being rich makes it very easy to have unrealistic ideals.
Funny thing is that the rich liberals that love Obama (they are the ones that actually mixed the koolaid) feel that they are no different than the poor and middle class. Being rich makes it very easy to have unrealistic ideals.
When you have millions more than you could possibly spend, it's easy to not worry over paying high taxes if you choose to do so.
It's a little more difficult when tax rates force both parents to work in a normal family, so junior has to be raised by daycare.
It's a little more difficult when tax rates force both parents to work in a normal family, so junior has to be raised by daycare.
Because they have no respect for those who gave them the freedoms they enjoy. Again, it is very easy to be an idealist when you're loaded.
And, BTW, the Hollywood elite are very good about hiding their money. Trusts, foundations etc.
Think about all the crap they surround themselves with. Multiple houses, exotic cars, etc. Just imagine what they could do with that money. How many people could they help?
And some do, but I think it's a mistake (a la "slippery slope") to expect them to do so. They've found a job in which they get paid inordinately huge sums of money to act like other people, play music, etc., and their skill at doing so is what's being rewarded by people just like us. To turn this into an expectation that they should help others because they can is contrary to a capitalist system. I fully agree that that money could do an awful lot of good spent other ways, but it's not mine to spend.
Blessings,
B
And some do, but I think it's a mistake (a la "slippery slope") to expect them to do so. They've found a job in which they get paid inordinately huge sums of money to act like other people, play music, etc., and their skill at doing so is what's being rewarded by people just like us. To turn this into an expectation that they should help others because they can is contrary to a capitalist system. I fully agree that that money could do an awful lot of good spent other ways, but it's not mine to spend.
Blessings,
B
I'm not necessarily saying they should give more, but they get involved in issues (many times) without much personal sacrifice. It's easy for Oprah to spend a few million $$ building a school in South Africa when it's only a drop in the bucket to her. Hollywood elitists get preachy about issues they want fixed -- usually by the government. If they want it fixed then they can lead the charge and write the check.
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