Another Gun store robbed

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Not really

 

[Hkindiana]

When I had a store, I locked the guns up EVERY night. It was a royal pain, but it let me sleep better. I also had an alarm system complete with tear gas trip wires. If anyone HAD tried a smash and grab, unless they had gas masks, they would have had to immediately clear the building.

 

[zippy23]

When i read the title i immediately thought "oh no not don's gun's again", that place seems like it gets robbed a lot. location? Maybe don is just an idiot? Maybe he wants the insurance money? Or D) all of the above

 

[MrsGungho]

When I had a store, I locked the guns up EVERY night. It was a royal pain, but it let me sleep better. I also had an alarm system complete with tear gas trip wires. If anyone HAD tried a smash and grab, unless they had gas masks, they would have had to immediately clear the building.

we locked ours up also, it also saved our guns from being on the streets when the car slammed into the back of the building.
6 minutes from alarm being triggered to first officer on the scene. Criminals and get away vehicle were gone

 

[cbhausen]

Remember this story?



Gun store owner fatally shoots 2 robbers

By R. Joseph Gelarden
Indianapolis Star/News
INDIANAPOLIS (Sept. 3, 1998) -- Two armed robbers roughed up a
Westside gun shop owner Thursday, then one of them tried to fire a
pistol at him. It didn't fire.
The owner grabbed his hidden .357-caliber Magnum. It did fire.
Staff photo / Mike Fender
WELL PREPARED: 500 Guns owner Joseph Montgomery leaves after the
shooting. He was prepared for trouble, a fellow business owner said.
Bullets struck and killed Leonard Banks Jr., 23, and Marshall Hogan,
22, during their robbery attempt, police said.
No charges have been filed against Joseph R. Montgomery, 56, owner of
500 Guns, 3602 W. 16th St.
Montgomery told police two men came into his store sometime in the
morning and acted like they wanted to buy a gun, said Lt. William M.
Reardon of the Indianapolis Police Department.
"They looked at several, then said they had to leave to get some
money," Reardon said.
Shortly after 11 a.m., the two men came back to the store.
"They said they would take a certain gun. When Montgomery bent over to
get it out of a showcase, one of the customers pulled a pistol from
his pants and disarmed Montgomery," Reardon said.
One of the men took Montgomery's gun. The other, armed with a knife,
shoved the shop owner to the back of the store.
"Then the two robbers told him to drop his pants," Reardon said. "When
he refused, the three men struggled. During the scuffle, the shop
owner was cut on one of his hands, a hole was ripped in his shirt and
his glasses broken."
As Montgomery was shoved again into a tiny bathroom, he grabbed a
.357-caliber Magnum revolver that was hidden in the room.
One of the would-be robbers pointed a pistol at the shop owner, but it
did not fire. Police suspect the gun's safety may have been engaged.
But Montgomery's pistol did work. He fired at the two men, hitting one
in the head and the other in the chest.
Reardon said Montgomery had several guns hidden inside the store for
his use in an emergency. A neighboring businessman confirmed that
Montgomery was prepared for trouble.
"Joe had a plan. I won't tell you what it was, but Joe had a plan,"
said Gary Isterling, 60, a retired city parks department worker who
owns neighboring shops.
"After this, we all will have plans. The hidden cameras will go up;
the buzzers will be installed on the doors," he said.
Neil Thompson, 71, the owner of a building at 3564 W. 16th St., said
he heard the shots and saw a man wearing tan pants running around the
side of the gun shop and down the alley.
"The barber in a neighboring shop said a man came into his shop and
asked for a haircut. When the shots rang out, he raced out the door,"
said Reardon.
"But, at this time, we have no reason to believe he was connected with
the two robbery suspects," he said.
Leah Fox, 17, a worker at a nearby restaurant, said she ran up to the
gun shop when she saw police arrive.
"The one was shot in the head. They both had guns tucked inside their
pants," she said.
Police could not immediately provide addresses for the men who were
killed.
Marion County Jail records show Banks was convicted of possession of
cocaine in June 1996 and placed on probation. He violated that
probation and was jailed for about six weeks last fall. Hogan was convicted of theft and receiving stolen property and
resisting law enforcement in 1994. He was sentenced to 545 days, but
the sentence was suspended.

I've known Joe for a long time; just spoke with him a few days ago. Hopefully some good can come of this (better security, stolen goods recovered, etc.). Too bad he wasn't there when the break-in occurred. He's apparently a pretty good shot.

 

[SERparacord]

Steal a car, run it into the building. See! We need background checks.

 

[AllenM]

Burglary, Robbery and Theft.

Three very different things.

I take a certain amount of pride in being naive to criminal things

 

[Double T]

500 Guns in Indy

RTV6 - Police: Burglars break-in Speedway gun store using car - Local Story

Now now, UBC's would've stopped this...

 

[Mark 1911]

I sure hope they filled out the proper forms for the background check. They must be ok citizens in order to acquire several handguns.

New law. Gun stores with a drive through window don't require background checks. If there is no drive through window, just make your own.

 

[Colt556]

They pulled the bars off the outside with a logging chain and truck, broke the plate glass and fit into a 17"x 9" hole. Stole 27 handguns total. They knew what they wanted and took guns from different cases while leaving others. No long guns taken. Cops, BATFE and Media been here all morning. Things quieting down now. Bars and window getting repaired. More later.

 

[Colt556]

Oh, there is now way that every gun can be put up in a safe every night. This place is like a jail now. If they want in they will get in.

 

[Colt556]

Why would guns not be locked up? Sounds kind of weird. You have to lock guns up every night.

The shop has double bars on the windows, plate glass with tint, alarmed and multiple locks. It would be extremely difficult to lock up 6 cases full of hand guns every night and put them out every morning. We do the best that we can. I know you all would have done better but we try to do what we can.

 

[SERparacord]

The shop has double bars on the windows, plate glass with tint, alarmed and multiple locks. It would be extremely difficult to lock up 6 cases full of hand guns every night and put them out every morning. We do the best that we can. I know you all would have done better but we try to do what we can.

I don't know of any GS that locks up every gun, every night. Not feasible, plus you would have damage *nicks, bumps, etc.* to the guns from so much handling.

 

[navy4422]

WTHR Ch. 13 reported that they didn't actually get into the store since there was another set of bars on the inside. The report was that they were able to reach inside and grab some guns. Which raises the question - why would you leave guns within reach of the window ?

I think we all know the answer to this one...
Because they didn't think that anyone could get in or reach them.

 

[Colt556]

I think we all know the answer to this one...
Because they didn't think that anyone could get in or reach them.

The window they ripped the bars from and entered the store is 25 FEET from the 1st gun case. That mutha must've had some looonnngggggggggg arms! SHEESH!

 

[SmokinSigs357]

I thought jewelry stores put everything away and back out every night/day....

 

[Westside]

I thought jewelry stores put everything away and back out every night/day....

A piece of jewelry is a lot smaller than a gun. You can lock up an average size jewelry store's entire inventory in a safe that will only hold 5 to 10 long guns. It's economy of scale.

 

[churchmouse]

Why leave guns out at all? Invest in some safes, bolt them down, and put the guns away each night.

If you have ever been in this store they have more guns than 1 person could put up and get out in a shift. There is not enough room for the number of safes it would take.
The windows are double barred and the walls have been built up significantly since someone drove through one of them years ago.
I know these people very well. Have done a lot of business with them over the many years and we have become good friends. I just stopped in and looked over the carnage. This was well planned and executed. The losses were low to what it could have been.

 

[churchmouse]

Remember this story?



Gun store owner fatally shoots 2 robbers

By R. Joseph Gelarden
Indianapolis Star/News
INDIANAPOLIS (Sept. 3, 1998) -- Two armed robbers roughed up a
Westside gun shop owner Thursday, then one of them tried to fire a
pistol at him. It didn't fire.
The owner grabbed his hidden .357-caliber Magnum. It did fire.
Staff photo / Mike Fender
WELL PREPARED: 500 Guns owner Joseph Montgomery leaves after the
shooting. He was prepared for trouble, a fellow business owner said.
Bullets struck and killed Leonard Banks Jr., 23, and Marshall Hogan,
22, during their robbery attempt, police said.
No charges have been filed against Joseph R. Montgomery, 56, owner of
500 Guns, 3602 W. 16th St.
Montgomery told police two men came into his store sometime in the
morning and acted like they wanted to buy a gun, said Lt. William M.
Reardon of the Indianapolis Police Department.
"They looked at several, then said they had to leave to get some
money," Reardon said.
Shortly after 11 a.m., the two men came back to the store.
"They said they would take a certain gun. When Montgomery bent over to
get it out of a showcase, one of the customers pulled a pistol from
his pants and disarmed Montgomery," Reardon said.
One of the men took Montgomery's gun. The other, armed with a knife,
shoved the shop owner to the back of the store.
"Then the two robbers told him to drop his pants," Reardon said. "When
he refused, the three men struggled. During the scuffle, the shop
owner was cut on one of his hands, a hole was ripped in his shirt and
his glasses broken."
As Montgomery was shoved again into a tiny bathroom, he grabbed a
.357-caliber Magnum revolver that was hidden in the room.
One of the would-be robbers pointed a pistol at the shop owner, but it
did not fire. Police suspect the gun's safety may have been engaged.
But Montgomery's pistol did work. He fired at the two men, hitting one
in the head and the other in the chest.
Reardon said Montgomery had several guns hidden inside the store for
his use in an emergency. A neighboring businessman confirmed that
Montgomery was prepared for trouble.
"Joe had a plan. I won't tell you what it was, but Joe had a plan,"
said Gary Isterling, 60, a retired city parks department worker who
owns neighboring shops.
"After this, we all will have plans. The hidden cameras will go up;
the buzzers will be installed on the doors," he said.
Neil Thompson, 71, the owner of a building at 3564 W. 16th St., said
he heard the shots and saw a man wearing tan pants running around the
side of the gun shop and down the alley.
"The barber in a neighboring shop said a man came into his shop and
asked for a haircut. When the shots rang out, he raced out the door,"
said Reardon.
"But, at this time, we have no reason to believe he was connected with
the two robbery suspects," he said.
Leah Fox, 17, a worker at a nearby restaurant, said she ran up to the
gun shop when she saw police arrive.
"The one was shot in the head. They both had guns tucked inside their
pants," she said.
Police could not immediately provide addresses for the men who were
killed.
Marion County Jail records show Banks was convicted of possession of
cocaine in June 1996 and placed on probation. He violated that
probation and was jailed for about six weeks last fall. Hogan was convicted of theft and receiving stolen property and
resisting law enforcement in 1994. He was sentenced to 545 days, but
the sentence was suspended.

I've known Joe for a long time; just spoke with him a few days ago. Hopefully some good can come of this (better security, stolen goods recovered, etc.). Too bad he wasn't there when the break-in occurred. He's apparently a pretty good shot.

Yes I do. I was on scene moments after this happened. Joe is a dear friend as is his son.
This is one store I do not suggest you try and rob during business hours.

 

[SmokinSigs357]

A piece of jewelry is a lot smaller than a gun. You can lock up an average size jewelry store's entire inventory in a safe that will only hold 5 to 10 long guns. It's economy of scale.

That is not a good argument. It's not the size of the jewelry vs the size of the gun. I bet my local Albert's Jewelers can house my local Blythe's Gun Shop's inventory in their "jewelry" safes.