America in the Midst of a Coup d'Etat

[ZombieApocolypse]

The problem is that it looks as if you are defending Obama and siding with the leftwing freaks.


No, the problem is if someone doesnt support a republican 100% you think they are leftwing freaks.

Look at this Snowdon character. He was a big Obama supporter. now he supports Ron Paul. That gives indication that there is little difference between the Obama promises and the libertarian ones.

By this logic, supporting George Bush means you approve of all this NSA stuff that has been going on since Bush approved it. Not to mention you support the NDAA, patriot act, everything else Bush and every republican ever signed

 

[Trooper]

By this logic, supporting George Bush means you approve of all this NSA stuff that has been going on since Bush approved it. Not to mention you support the NDAA, patriot act, everything else Bush and every republican ever signed

I have used such technology. As for the Patriot Act, what part do you dislike? Shouldn't we modernize the laws so that we track the person instead of the device? That is the big part of that law, that the warrants allowed us to gather on any device that an individual used but only while that person used it. With modern burn cell phones, a perp is constantly changing phones. Far faster than we can get warrants. So the warrant is to do surveillance on the person, not the device.

What was not allowed was blanket surveillance on everyone. We have this because we want to be politically correct and not target Muslims or other groups with known histories of activities. It is what TSA does.

Technology is not going away. Just like guns are not going away. Once the technology is out there, it will be used.

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

I have used such technology. As for the Patriot Act, what part do you dislike?

The fact "they" could perform "sneak and peek" warrents and not tell the homeowner for up to a month. Honestly i would have a hard time finding something in the PA that i support than the other way around. I'm not surprised you would support the patriot act with the comments you make on here

 

[Hotdoger]

By this logic, supporting George Bush means you approve of all this NSA stuff that has been going on since Bush approved it. Not to mention you support the NDAA, patriot act, everything else Bush and every republican ever signed

To think technology and programs haven't advanced since GWB and has somehow approved of them now is silly.

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

To think technology and programs haven't advanced since GWB and has somehow approved of them now is silly.

When did i say we need(ed) Bush to approve of our technology?

edit: I see what you were saying .... The NSA has been doing what they are doing for at least 7 years. Bush DID approve of this, and didnt make the NSA stop doing it while he was president, why would he now if he was still pres?

 

[Hotdoger]

When did i say we need(ed) Bush to approve of our technology?

edit: I see what you were saying .... The NSA has been doing what they are doing for at least 7 years. Bush DID approve of this, and didnt make the NSA stop doing it while he was president, why would he now if he was still pres?

The point is the current programs have nothing to do with GWB and to bring his name into the conversation is silly.

 

[netsecurity]

The point is the current programs have nothing to do with GWB and to bring his name into the conversation is silly.

www.nationalreview.com/corner/35085...s-nsa-assurances-bunch-bunk-lindsey-grudnicki


The Patriot Act was never meant to allow mass data mining, and in fact explicitly disallows it. (As does the Constitution.) So I doubt Bush was doing the same thing Obama is. However, I regret not going against the Patriot Act then, because look where it led us.

Lot's of good points about our Libertarian friends here. I think we're all on the same page about them. If they wanted to get Republicans to switch over though, they should play Devil's Advocate, not take on every Liberal talking point and engage in misinformation. For example, Rush isn't even a shock jock, Howard Stern is a shock jock. While Rush is part entertainer no doubt, he is in biggest part a true conservative thinker and leads the fight against liberalism/socialism/fascism, WHICH IS A GOOD FIGHT! To the libertarians, rather than continue to argue about Rush, whose opinion of him is already known, I'd rather ask what your opinion is of Charles Krauthammer?

 

[deal me in]

www.nationalreview.com/corner/350854/sensenbrenner-obama-administrations-nsa-assurances-bunch-bunk-lindsey-grudnicki


The Patriot Act was never meant to allow mass data mining, and in fact explicitly disallows it. (As does the Constitution.) So I doubt Bush was doing the same thing Obama is. However, I regret not going against the Patriot Act then, because look where it led us.

Lot's of good points about our Libertarian friends here. I think we're all on the same page about them. If they wanted to get Republicans to switch over though, they should play Devil's Advocate, not take on every Liberal talking point and engage in misinformation. For example, Rush isn't even a shock jock, Howard Stern is a shock jock. While Rush is part entertainer no doubt, he is in biggest part a true conservative thinker and leads the fight against liberalism/socialism/fascism, WHICH IS A GOOD FIGHT! To the libertarians, rather than continue to argue about Rush, whose opinion of him is already known, I'd rather ask what your opinion is of Charles Krauthammer?

OK, I'll play. Krauthhammer is a very smart guy and I'm sure that I agree with him on many issues. I don't agree with his neo-con agenda of blindly supporting Israel and his support for our wars in the mid-east.

As far as Rush is concerned, he was the first media personality to talk about conservatism in a way that really tied it altogether for me. There was no one like Rush before, and I'm old enough to remember when he started. I'll always have a soft spot for him even though my beliefs on government and politics have evolved and I don't listen to his show.

Since we're talking about how Libertarians and Republicans can communicate better, how about your side practices some intellectual honesty and stops saying that we're all closet Liberals and potheads?

Maybe acknowledge that individual Liberty and the non-agression principle are good things that we should strive for?

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

The point is the current programs have nothing to do with GWB and to bring his name into the conversation is silly.

George Bush started these programs. I think its silly that republicans are (all of a sudden) up in arms about what has been going on under the Obama administration, but had no problem justifying these programs when Bush was pres.