Yup!!Pretty disgusting comment, but it appears not to be isolated in this thread. Who knew drug dealers were looked up to as providing a needed public service but cops are not. This thread just makes me ill.
Yup!!Pretty disgusting comment, but it appears not to be isolated in this thread. Who knew drug dealers were looked up to as providing a needed public service but cops are not. This thread just makes me ill.
Please tell me that this is not a drug users site.The Mods should delete any account of anyone supporting illegal drugs and i mean any.This has came up before and a few said smoking pot was ok.It is not ok the crime rate is tied directly to illegal drugs.Make them legal and we will destroy ourselves just like who we are fighting.Anyone buying or using or selling illegal drugs and i dont care what type are a menace to society.Ban me if you want but it will only show that you want to add fuel to what is killing this country.
drugs are bad
Please tell me that this is not a drug users site.The Mods should delete any account of anyone supporting illegal drugs and i mean any.This has came up before and a few said smoking pot was ok.It is not ok the crime rate is tied directly to illegal drugs.Make them legal and we will destroy ourselves just like who we are fighting.Anyone buying or using or selling illegal drugs and i dont care what type are a menace to society.Ban me if you want but it will only show that you want to add fuel to what is killing this country.
Is it worth a life to stop someone from selling drugs that only drug users buy (supply and demand applies)? Definitely not.
Should police storm into someone's home with their weapons drawn over a drug offense? Probably not.
Should police be surprised if they get shot at while ramming someone's door down? No.
Only in a hostage situation, or similar, should SWAT tactics ever be used IMO. Such tactics are an escalation of the highest order of violence. There are much simpler ways to arrest someone without the risk. A SWAT team is literally a small army, using military tactics, which are not appropriate in most cases. Why couldn't they detain the guy at the market and then comb the house like everyone else has stated? I see it as total arrogance that police think they can barge into homes using such over the top ultra-aggressive tactics, and not expect to be received with aggression.
Not trolling to ban someone from doing something is to imply that someone has ownership of yourself. No one has the right to give someone power to enforce what i do with my money, body, property etc. This however dose not mean you can harm other people or property. So the cops that got shot or died got what was coming to them.
Please tell me that this is not a drug users site.The Mods should delete any account of anyone supporting illegal drugs and i mean any.This has came up before and a few said smoking pot was ok.It is not ok the crime rate is tied directly to illegal drugs.Make them legal and we will destroy ourselves just like who we are fighting.Anyone buying or using or selling illegal drugs and i dont care what type are a menace to society.Ban me if you want but it will only show that you want to add fuel to what is killing this country.
I don't think people who only smoke pot are criminals. Meth, heroin and crack, yea they are really bad, and COULD lead to crime, but I don't think it is fair at all to say that every meth user is a thief--that's like believing in arresting people for "pre-crimes". Pot prohibition is almost exaxtly like alcohol prohibition legally. In fact pot is already quasi legal in about half the states. Don't force your morality on me. I don't like to drink--drunk driving kills more people than meth, but you aren't advocating making it illegal, or sending SWAT to consiscate your alcoholic cousin's home, are you?
Hardly that. Those officers were doing the job that we, the people, hired them to do. They went in somewhere to enforce the laws our elected representatives have written and our elected executives have signed. If you want to express your disgust, do so against them. To say what you said is hardly fitting of anyone who isn't trolling, and your screen name makes that even more clear.
This is not a drug users' site. This is a site for Indiana gun owners. There are, however, many people, some of whom are mods, who, while we follow the law and do not use or promote the use of illicit substances, understand that the attempt to control what you're allowed to choose to put in your body (or not) is an inappropriate function of government. I am one of those people.
Now, to be crystal clear on this point: I do not smoke or otherwise use tobacco. I do not drink alcoholic drinks. I don't even like taking an ibuprofen when I have a headache. I have never used illegal drugs myself, and have only gotten a "contact high" a couple of times at concerts.
Were the laws to change tomorrow and ALL drugs made 100% decriminalized, the above would not change. I still would not use them. I like being in control of myself, not having some chemical in control of me.
You say that the crime rates are tied directly to illegal drugs. You're right, but you're addressing the wrong part of the equation. In the 1920s, alcohol was the illegal drug, and crime rates surrounding that drug were sky-high. When it was again made legal, the crime rates dropped. That there is still crime surrounding the use of alcohol is a direct result of there still being laws criminalizing the possession of it by some people and use of it by others.
We have no laws criminalizing the use of, say, Benadryl, an antihistamine. You can walk into WalMart and buy a package of it, or several; indeed, as many as you have money to purchase, and you can take as much as you like. If you do so and then drive, you can still be arrested for driving while impaired (or reckless driving, whichever is more applicable) and you'll still be responsible for any damage you cause while asleep at the wheel.
Should those substances be decriminalized, sure, we'd see more use of them, briefly. Then people would get over the novelty of it and it would normalize. We wouldn't have the criminal element stealing to buy pot, they could walk into Walmart and buy it... just like they can alcohol and tobacco and a world of other drugs.
What's killing this country has nothing at all to do with what substances government, in their magnanimity, choose to allow us to use. What's killing this country is the idea that government has any place telling us how to live our lives or in any way exceeding their Constitutional limitations, and worse, us allowing them to do so.
To the families of the officers who lost their lives doing their jobs, I send my condolences. For the officers themselves, I offer my prayers.
For the officers who still put on the uniform and uphold their oaths of office with honor and integrity, you have my thanks and respect.
Stay safe out there.
Blessings,
Bill
Not trolling to ban someone from doing something is to imply that someone has ownership of yourself. No one has the right to give someone power to enforce what i do with my money, body, property etc. This however dose not mean you can harm other people or property. So the cops that got shot or died got what was coming to them.
Hardly that. Those officers were doing the job that we, the people, hired them to do. They went in somewhere to enforce the laws our elected representatives have written and our elected executives have signed. If you want to express your disgust, do so against them. To say what you said is hardly fitting of anyone who isn't trolling, and your screen name makes that even more clear.
This is not a drug users' site. This is a site for Indiana gun owners. There are, however, many people, some of whom are mods, who, while we follow the law and do not use or promote the use of illicit substances, understand that the attempt to control what you're allowed to choose to put in your body (or not) is an inappropriate function of government. I am one of those people.
Now, to be crystal clear on this point: I do not smoke or otherwise use tobacco. I do not drink alcoholic drinks. I don't even like taking an ibuprofen when I have a headache. I have never used illegal drugs myself, and have only gotten a "contact high" a couple of times at concerts.
Were the laws to change tomorrow and ALL drugs made 100% decriminalized, the above would not change. I still would not use them. I like being in control of myself, not having some chemical in control of me.
You say that the crime rates are tied directly to illegal drugs. You're right, but you're addressing the wrong part of the equation. In the 1920s, alcohol was the illegal drug, and crime rates surrounding that drug were sky-high. When it was again made legal, the crime rates dropped. That there is still crime surrounding the use of alcohol is a direct result of there still being laws criminalizing the possession of it by some people and use of it by others.
We have no laws criminalizing the use of, say, Benadryl, an antihistamine. You can walk into WalMart and buy a package of it, or several; indeed, as many as you have money to purchase, and you can take as much as you like. If you do so and then drive, you can still be arrested for driving while impaired (or reckless driving, whichever is more applicable) and you'll still be responsible for any damage you cause while asleep at the wheel.
Should those substances be decriminalized, sure, we'd see more use of them, briefly. Then people would get over the novelty of it and it would normalize. We wouldn't have the criminal element stealing to buy pot, they could walk into Walmart and buy it... just like they can alcohol and tobacco and a world of other drugs.
What's killing this country has nothing at all to do with what substances government, in their magnanimity, choose to allow us to use. What's killing this country is the idea that government has any place telling us how to live our lives or in any way exceeding their Constitutional limitations, and worse, us allowing them to do so.
To the families of the officers who lost their lives doing their jobs, I send my condolences. For the officers themselves, I offer my prayers.
For the officers who still put on the uniform and uphold their oaths of office with honor and integrity, you have my thanks and respect.
Stay safe out there.
Blessings,
Bill
Please tell me that this is not a drug users site.The Mods should delete any account of anyone supporting illegal drugs and i mean any.This has came up before and a few said smoking pot was ok.It is not ok the crime rate is tied directly to illegal drugs.Make them legal and we will destroy ourselves just like who we are fighting.Anyone buying or using or selling illegal drugs and i dont care what type are a menace to society.Ban me if you want but it will only show that you want to add fuel to what is killing this country.
Hardly that. Those officers were doing the job that we, the people, hired them to do...
To the families of the officers who lost their lives doing their jobs, I send my condolences. For the officers themselves, I offer my prayers.
For the officers who still put on the uniform and uphold their oaths of office with honor and integrity, you have my thanks and respect.
Stay safe out there.
Blessings,
Bill
I was thinking about posting a picture of the results of a lab gone wrong. I chose not to because of it being too graphic. It showed a man with most of his clothes blown off after an explosion during a "meth cook". He is still alive and doing well. The power of the blast blew out the walls of the house. One "one-pot" has the explosive power of C-4. We had occasion to make a run on a house that had 100 going at one time. Seeing children who are malnurished or not thriving is a common pattern with hard core drug users. We also had a child two weeks ago that was two months old and weighed 6.5 pounds. Confined in its' own body fluids. It went to the hospital and was removed from the family.
Please, don't preach to me about casual use and hardcore. I think I know the difference.
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I agree, we should then continue to people who drink or own bars and liquer stores. Then move to tobacco all those who chew and smoke. Then we can move on to those who do not eat healthy enough, then well then we will not have many left here.
I have no problem with what Bill stated at all. This particular thread was to inform us of the tragic loss of an officer and the severe wounding of at least three more. The department was only 7 strong.
The problem that I have with the part that was added to this thread wa the drugs. Not whether it should be legalized or not but to the people who suffer. Point in fact, for every hotel room that serves as a "meth cook" host will have to be stripped because of the damages due to chemicals introduced to the area. Bed covers, carpet even wall board will have to be replaced to make it habital for the next group that rents the room. What happens to the children who are also present. What happens to the lungs of the children since mom and dad are wearing masks and the children aren't. What happens to the children who are present during the "contact high" that Bill stated.
The FOOL is lucky to have survived.
This was taken by a bystander shortly after an explosion in his home. The meth cook did not go well. The pictures after he got out of the hospital were worse. It was also printen in the Courier & Press. Notice that most of the clothes and shoes were burned off.
The FOOL is lucky to have survived.