What it takes to learn it will vary from person to person. The critical aspect is bringing an element of reality to temper the ego. Some people require a bigger dose to learn the same lesson. My contention is these guys are so resistant to reality that your words are wasted. :-) See the comment made bout my post. "Its not bold talk, its what will happen." They think it will work out just like their fantasy. I applaud your efforts, though.